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Oscar77
02-05-2006, 11:34 PM
Guys, let list down common sickness for newbie (like me :D ) always face and discuss about the sickness. The answer or discussion no right or wrong and should set as a reference only.

Let me start the ball rolling.

IMHO, newbie always encounter "Slime disease". I noticed newbie (Yes, is me again :D ) always panic when encounter slime disease.

How the fish look like when infected with Slime Disease? In the initial stage, the skin of the fish look like "patches". Fish still active and eating. For me, I will still perform daily water change (WC) as usual. But just add salt (5-6 table spoon for 30 gals water) after the WC. And keep monitoring the progress.

When I noticed the fishes clamp fins, darken in the body, hidden at a corner and cotton look alike on its body, I will use med brand "Interpret" series no.7 (Normally ppl called "Interpret No.7"). Dosage as per instruction and could easily find in local fish shop.

I ever used Potassium Permanganate (PP) which could obtain from general pharmacy in Singapore. I got a bottle from Guardian (The one just come out from Bugis MRT station) which it come in crystal form. Dilute the crystal with tap water. Add it into the tank slowly till the tank water become light purple. After 6 hrs, 100% water change. During treatment, keep an eyes on the fish to see if the fish show any abnormal behavior. If the fish darting, lying down flat on the tank bottom, head down or head up, quickly 100% water change.

Ever encounter inavailability of interpret no.7 nor PP in M'sia, I advise my dad (well, to him, everything just add salt or the most Methylene Blue) to add Methylene Blue (This is med that he have and he know) plus salt to treat slime disease. 2 weeks later, the fishes all fully recover.

During threatment, there are 2 school of thought. One is to turn on the heater. And another school of though which I am practising, is to turn off the heater. Why switch off heater? To me, warm water will help the fungus to multiply faster (like flower blossom in summer) which make the med less effective.

What is your say?

edwardlong
03-05-2006, 06:36 PM
Personally i prefer to just use acriflavine with lots of rock salt. Interpet no. 7 is formalin based if i'm not wrong. Those are strong stuff that is not very good for us.

edwardlong
14-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Like to add that the most common mistake a newbie make is to go into discus buying frenzy. Most would just go to this LFS...or this discus shop...or this hobbyist home to buy a couple of discus . And when they reach home, they would just dump in the new fishes in the tank without any form of quarantine.

This new input of fishes are usually the main culprit of the fame black disease or slime.

condor
14-07-2006, 08:50 PM
Like to add that the most common mistake a newbie make is to go into discus buying frenzy. Most would just go to this LFS...or this discus shop...or this hobbyist home to buy a couple of discus . And when they reach home, they would just dump in the new fishes in the tank without any form of quarantine.

This new input of fishes are usually the main culprit of the fame black disease or slime.



Well said Edwardlong
most importnat is quarantine the fish which come from new sources other then from your own house's tank:eek:
(eg. Lfs, farm, home breeder)
Do a good one to ensure that u wont have to headache in future
As for how to quarantine its best that u read more from the experts ' posting
(Pls dont ask me about wrtie a article on Quarantine, my english one piece one piece):D :D :D

One thing to take note is that always get some common medicine on standby
remember early treatment is better then no treatment at all

edwardlong
15-07-2006, 10:57 AM
Wah! Condor, i was about to ask you to write a full article on Quarantine Procedure. :(


Ok to kick off, can everyone share how they do their QT for new incoming fishes?

http://www.fish-hub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9827#post9827

:D

condor
15-07-2006, 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=edwardlong]Wah! Condor, i was about to ask you to write a full article on Quarantine Procedure. :(

Fast hands fast legs
I win liao for not writing on a article on QT Procedure

:D :D

edwardlong
15-07-2006, 03:26 PM
[QUOTE=edwardlong]Wah! Condor, i was about to ask you to write a full article on Quarantine Procedure. :(

Fast hands fast legs
I win liao for not writing on a article on QT Procedure

:D :D


Win???

Collect money lor!!!

;)

lei
06-08-2006, 08:38 PM
I think another rather common illness newbie (Me too) would face is Internal Bact. and Gill Flukes... :D
Any expert's advise on the above disease??

yoda
14-08-2006, 04:27 PM
I think another rather common illness newbie (Me too) would face is Internal Bact. and Gill Flukes... :D
Any expert's advise on the above disease??

Based on my limited knowledge, it is too general just to quote "internal bacteria". More specific would help.

If you suspected your discus suffer from gill flukes, there are actually many medication available in the market in treating this disease. PP might help thought, but use it with care.

cpj
28-08-2006, 12:52 AM
Most drugs and other chemicals used in the control of fish disease are toxic, and must be keep away from children. This is the reason treating the disease correctly is important. If your fishes is clearly delineated, whitish, translucent areas measuring 1mm to 3mm area on the skin, often visible only a head-on view. Than likely your fish are affected by cilate Chilodonella. A smear often reveals of the pathogens. Treatment is neccessary. There are a few method to treat it accordingly but I will state one as I am allow only 2000 words in this post.

1. Acriflavin (Trypaflavin) as mentioned by Edward Long. This medication can use on other spectrum: Costia spp., Chilodonella spp., Trichodina spp., Trichodinekka ssp., flexibacteria, fin and skin turbanity or cloudiness. This is one of the common medication I use so far and will be good for newbie. No heater neccessary.

Another advice for newbie is never never try to use PP (Potassium Permanganate) if you are not sure how to administer the amount of PP into the tank. You will kill them instead of saving them. In most cases, PP are use as a last method to treat heavy infectation like Trichodina spp., Argulus spp., gill worms, Saprolegnia spp. Normally experience hobbist or breeder will treat them with short bath as this chemical is very very toxic. So newbie never try this if you are not sure.

I speak from experience as I kill all my fishes with this chemical and regretted it. So don't try it unless you are very sure. So the safest way is to use No.1 - Acriflavin as also mentioned by Edward Long. I am confident these will help you when you find delineated, whitish, translucent slims on the surface body of your discus.

Please note that the above mentioned will be use at your own risk depending on the amount of dosage, type of infection and stages of infestation. I cannot be responsible for should there be any failure or if your fishes die.

Thank you :) :) :)

edwardlong
28-08-2006, 10:09 AM
Thanks tony!

BTW guys, the use of acriflavine for my fishes is taught to me by CPJ.

So far has been a safe and useful medicine to have.

:)