Can Drop Eye & PLJ Be Cured

[Sean]

Hi, Bros.

Just wandered any bros here had ever cure drop eyes or PLJ aro. What I heard was, for drop eyes, try putting in a fibre tank for few months. It get cured. And PLJ is not enough eating. Just pump the aro, the PLJ will be cured.

Is this true????

Cheers!!

[Aquatic Planet]

wah, i think hard to cure. Need experts.:D

[TROY]

I have once cured a slightly drooped eye arowana by covering her tank and putting a bicycle light on top of the tank. Sacrifice not to see her for 3months but the result is impeccable.

After removing the cover in the tank, I have placed her at the lower part of the 2-tier tank. From then on it was cured.

As for the PLJ, I still believe it is genes that dictates it. My opinion

[SniperY]

For DE, my personal experience is, i used to kept a silver aro. Later on i found out the aro eyes drop due to because i never put a floating ball on top the surface of the water, instead of keeping its eyes look high, the aro kept concentrating looking at my tigers, i believe it is proven that to put something high to attract them to look high in order to prevent DE. As for the PLJ , no comment :(

[TROY]

They say prevention is better than cure. For me, I use those orange ping pong ball :) to float on top of the water.

As for curing, slightly drooped eye higher chance. For extremely DE, operation may be necessary but success is pretty low.

[Sean]

Hi, Bros.

I noticed that most of the spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ. I believed that spoon head by itself is a defect. In those olden days, aros are mostly bullet head. do you observed it.

Cheers.

[SniperY]

Hi, Bros.

I noticed that most of the spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ. I believed that spoon head by itself is a defect. In those olden days, aros are mostly bullet head. do you observed it.

Cheers.I'm not sure whether spoon head is considered defect or not, but look like seller always forcus on the spoon head as a advantage point to the aro
:confused:

[Sean]

I'm not sure whether spoon head is considered defect or not, but look like seller always forcus on the spoon head as a advantage point to the aro
:confused:


Bro, This is the trend now. same as deformed fish aro, they call it fa fu aro. unless you have a aro that has small tiny legs and hunch back than you call it fa fu long. With so many cross breeding, One day, arowana is something like luohan fish which lost its originity.

Cheers.

[TROY]

Hi, Bros.

I noticed that most of the spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ. I believed that spoon head by itself is a defect. In those olden days, aros are mostly bullet head. do you observed it.

Cheers.


This is very observant of you bro. I will try to confirm this by checking aro hobbyist with spoon head aros.

My opinion, spoon head is not a defect since there is/was no deformation identified on it unlike FFL or the so called "Fa Fu Long" (not sure about the correct spelling) in which the spine is deformed creating such hunch at the back of the arowana.

Although I have heard that the real FFL has no deformation as well but with a hunch at the back.....could be 1 in a million arowana which is why it demands a higher price whichever arowana breed it belongs.

[phuture]

I'm not sure whether spoon head is considered defect or not, but look like seller always forcus on the spoon head as a advantage point to the aro
:confused:
I believed that aros are spoon head by nature. The reason being into bullet head is that they lived in the wild where water movement or flow is fast resulting them into a bullet head in long term. Hence their offsprings will also turn into bullet head due to the inheritance. :)

Spoon head an advantage. I think so. The fish seller would somehow agreed that most people prefer spoon head than bullet head, so this is the factor they raised the price over the bullet head.

[phuture]

Hi, Bros.

Just wandered any bros here had ever cure drop eyes or PLJ aro. What I heard was, for drop eyes, try putting in a fibre tank for few months. It get cured. And PLJ is not enough eating. Just pump the aro, the PLJ will be cured.

Is this true????

Cheers!!

Drop eyes can be cured. The best way to prevent drop eyes is to comm. Talking about cure, i think the best will be rearing them in the pond, or make them to lose focusing on the bottom of the tank.

PLJ, i personally think that there is no cure about it and i think this is somehow a myth to say that PLJ was caused by 'not enough eating'. I would only suggest you to select an aro carefully rather than complaining 'my aro got plj'. :D

[TROY]

Drop eyes can be cured. The best way to prevent drop eyes is to comm. Talking about cure, i think the best will be rearing them in the pond, or make them to lose focusing on the bottom of the tank.

PLJ, i personally think that there is no cure about it and i think this is somehow a myth to say that PLJ was caused by 'not enough eating'. I would only suggest you to select an aro carefully rather than complaining 'my aro got plj'. :D


Although no matter how hard you choose a juvinile aro, no way to detect whether it will grow without PLJ except for those shark mouth type :D sure no PLJ :)

[phuture]

Although no matter how hard you choose a juvinile aro, no way to detect whether it will grow without PLJ except for those shark mouth type :D sure no PLJ :)

Ya, but what is the ratio of shark mouth type against PLJ type? To me slight plj is ok. If the PLJ makes the aro mouth like carry water, then hmmmm:eek: But the way, do you have any picture of aro with Shark mouth. I just find that aro without a bit of plj look makes them lesser aggressive look. Do you agree with me?

[SniperY]

I not sure whether DE can be cure or not, however to play safe, it is better is leave a floating object (Ball) inside the tank, so that the aro will always look up. So far works for me ;)

[phuture]

The tankmates also plays a part in aro's de. If tank-mates are all swimming at the bottom of the tank, more or less will also affect the aro's de. :)

[TROY]

Ya, but what is the ratio of shark mouth type against PLJ type? To me slight plj is ok. If the PLJ makes the aro mouth like carry water, then hmmmm:eek: But the way, do you have any picture of aro with Shark mouth. I just find that aro without a bit of plj look makes them lesser aggressive look. Do you agree with me?


Ratio between shark mouth and PLJ.... shark mouth will sure loose out :) seldom see sharkmouth in comparison with aros with PLJ in LFS.

For the DE, I also agree that tankmates plays apart too..one way or another

[Arodynamics]

Hi, Bros.

Just wandered any bros here had ever cure drop eyes or PLJ aro. What I heard was, for drop eyes, try putting in a fibre tank for few months. It get cured. And PLJ is not enough eating. Just pump the aro, the PLJ will be cured.

Is this true????

Cheers!!

Drop Eyes

DE is caused by 3 major factor....
1. Genetic Defect -The affected aro has this genetic defect in herself since birth, there is nothing much that you can do about it
2. Envoirment - Tank base not covered fully with Oyama or sand, therefore reflecting light source from the light used on top of the tank attracting the attention of the aro, moving pets like dogs or cats roaming in area when the tank is.
3. Fatty Food Intake - Too much Fatty Food intake, SW is good for pumping aro mass but it cannot be taken as a main diet source of the aro.
4. Injuries - Jumping out of the tank and hit something in the head or eye area.

There are 2 ways that you might cure the aro's DE but it has it's risk.
1. Perform an Operation to cut away the fatty area behind the eyes of the affected area. If not done properly, your aro will be blind for the rest of her life cos you never know what nerve is connected together with the fatty area. The other risk of this operation is that you have to transmore your aro for a longer time, as the operation will take longer than a fin cut or trimming of the gills. Worst of all scenario, your aro did not wake up after the transmore. Of all things in an operation, there will be infection if it is not done properly.

2. Try putting your aro in a FGT or Covered Tank for 2-3 months, The only direction for the aro to see is to look up and no where else. This method is the safest but no guranteed of Success. Some Aro is cure permantly, some Aro will have relapse of DE after a few weeks in the Tank. It takes abit of luck to cure a DE aro fully.


Happy Aroing.

[Arodynamics]

Hi, Bros.

Just wandered any bros here had ever cure drop eyes or PLJ aro. What I heard was, for drop eyes, try putting in a fibre tank for few months. It get cured. And PLJ is not enough eating. Just pump the aro, the PLJ will be cured.

Is this true????

Cheers!!

PLJ/ PUJ = Protruding Lower Jaw and Protruding Upper Jaw.

PLJ/ PUJ is a genetic defect. To me as long as the PLJ or PUJ is less than 1mm from either tip is acceptable. Red tend to face more of this PLJ problem, in many cases they have more severe PLJ cases (more than 3 mm).

There is no cure except if you are ready to tirm away the PLJ area using a sisscor after you have transmore the aro. I have saw it being done by some of the senior. But personally, it think it is quite a cruel things to do. If your jaw is slightly longer, will you cut away your jaw? Anyway after the ops, the same whole thing will kick in, possibility of infections and aro cannot eat due to the swollen jaw, IMHO will cause the aro more problem.

By Pumping up the Aro will only help to make the PLJ/PUJ look less obvious.

Happy Aroing

[Arodynamics]

For DE, my personal experience is, i used to kept a silver aro. Later on i found out the aro eyes drop due to because i never put a floating ball on top the surface of the water, instead of keeping its eyes look high, the aro kept concentrating looking at my tigers, i believe it is proven that to put something high to attract them to look high in order to prevent DE. As for the PLJ , no comment :(


For Silver Aro Kept in a Tank.... Most of the Time, they will have both DE and PLF defect.

Happy Aroing

[Arodynamics]

Hi, Bros.

I noticed that most of the spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ. I believed that spoon head by itself is a defect. In those olden days, aros are mostly bullet head. do you observed it.

Cheers.


Bro i believe Spoon Head for red is a very comm sight. Most Red Aro has Spoonhead. Spoonhead itself is not considered a Defect but a plus point for that aro. Most Spoon Head Aro has very nice and full body shaped and they are more balanced in terms of outlook.

The Bullet head ones are rarely seen nowaday. True XB should be a Bullet head aro. But as the generation of breeding begins, different breed of Gold Aros are mixed for breeding, therefore all the body shaped and colour tone changes as time fly either for the Better or the Worst.

[phuture]

Drop Eyes

DE is caused by 3 major factor....
1. Genetic Defect -The affected aro has this genetic defect in herself since birth, there is nothing much that you can do about it
2. Envoirment - Tank base not covered fully with Oyama or sand, therefore reflecting light source from the light used on top of the tank attracting the attention of the aro, moving pets like dogs or cats roaming in area when the tank is.
3. Fatty Food Intake - Too much Fatty Food intake, SW is good for pumping aro mass but it cannot be taken as a main diet source of the aro.
4. Injuries - Jumping out of the tank and hit something in the head or eye area.

There are 2 ways that you might cure the aro's DE but it has it's risk.
1. Perform an Operation to cut away the fatty area behind the eyes of the affected area. If not done properly, your aro will be blind for the rest of her life cos you never know what nerve is connected together with the fatty area. The other risk of this operation is that you have to transmore your aro for a longer time, as the operation will take longer than a fin cut or trimming of the gills. Worst of all scenario, your aro did not wake up after the transmore. Of all things in an operation, there will be infection if it is not done properly.

2. Try putting your aro in a FGT or Covered Tank for 2-3 months, The only direction for the aro to see is to look up and no where else. This method is the safest but no guranteed of Success. Some Aro is cure permantly, some Aro will have relapse of DE after a few weeks in the Tank. It takes abit of luck to cure a DE aro fully.


Happy Aroing.

Well said bro! I agreed on your no.2. But just on the no.1, i think we are not doctors and to operate such thing on aro eye will easily cause aro to be blinded. I think it should not be encouraged. :D

[phuture]

PLJ/ PUJ = Protruding Lower Jaw and Protruding Upper Jaw.

PLJ/ PUJ is a genetic defect. To me as long as the PLJ or PUJ is less than 1mm from either tip is acceptable. Red tend to face more of this PLJ problem, in many cases they have more severe PLJ cases (more than 3 mm).

There is no cure except if you are ready to tirm away the PLJ area using a sisscor after you have transmore the aro. I have saw it being done by some of the senior. But personally, it think it is quite a cruel things to do. If your jaw is slightly longer, will you cut away your jaw? Anyway after the ops, the same whole thing will kick in, possibility of infections and aro cannot eat due to the swollen jaw, IMHO will cause the aro more problem.

By Pumping up the Aro will only help to make the PLJ/PUJ look less obvious.

Happy Aroing

I don't think by feeding heavily on the aros will cure the PLJ. I think the PLJ will only get more obvious when the aro grow bigger. :) It's either have or don't have.

[Arodynamics]

Well said bro! I agreed on your no.2. But just on the no.1, i think we are not doctors and to operate such thing on aro eye will easily cause aro to be blinded. I think it should not be encouraged. :D

Bro

I shared the same sentiment.... I am capable of performing normal simple ops like trimming the tail, trim gill curl.... But ask me to do this to the aro and risk the aro being blind, i dun think it is a fair deal.

[Arodynamics]

I don't think by feeding heavily on the aros will cure the PLJ. I think the PLJ will only get more obvious when the aro grow bigger. :) It's either have or don't have.

An aro with a bigger mass will not cure the PLJ but.... to shift the main attention to the Mass of the aro. A fatter Aro will make the PLJ look less obvious.

[phuture]

Bro

I shared the same sentiment.... I am capable of performing normal simple ops like trimming the tail, trim gill curl.... But ask me to do this to the aro and risk the aro being blind, i dun think it is a fair deal.

Hey bro, i don't believe those ppl who have done that can still claim that their aros are not blinded. I just wonder how they attach the eye back without making the eye ball drop....Just a thought.;)

[Aquarian]

so when they are young, it is best to avoid bottom dweller like endies, CL, catfish etc?

Drop eyes can be cured. The best way to prevent drop eyes is to comm. Talking about cure, i think the best will be rearing them in the pond, or make them to lose focusing on the bottom of the tank.

PLJ, i personally think that there is no cure about it and i think this is somehow a myth to say that PLJ was caused by 'not enough eating'. I would only suggest you to select an aro carefully rather than complaining 'my aro got plj'. :D

[phuture]

so when they are young, it is best to avoid bottom dweller like endies, CL, catfish etc?
DE happens at any age of the aro. Be it young or old. For me, i would not like to take such risk on those bottom dweller you have mentioned. :D

[Arodynamics]

Hey bro, i don't believe those ppl who have done that can still claim that their aros are not blinded. I just wonder how they attach the eye back without making the eye ball drop....Just a thought.;)


They never pull out the eyes lah.... they just trim the fatty portion by pushing down the eyes towards to the jaw portion.

[phuture]

They never pull out the eyes lah.... the just trim the fatty by push down the eyes towards to the mouth portion.
I see. Then will those fats being pushed out from the eyes when they do that?

[Aquarian]

but like to have a tank with top, middle and bottom dwellers, if nothing at all, looks a bit bare :)

DE happens at any age of the aro. Be it young or old. For me, i would not like to take such risk on those bottom dweller you have mentioned. :D

[Arodynamics]

so when they are young, it is best to avoid bottom dweller like endies, CL, catfish etc?


Actually Endies are ok... cos they will swim and down the tank gasping air... My tank has endies all these while... all the aro i groom got no de problem. I believe very much that DE is caused mainly by Genetics and Envoirment. My tanks and Cover 4 Sided Oyama with small openning on the side of the tank. So far no problem....

[Arodynamics]

I see. Then will those fats being pushed out from the eyes when they do that?

Ya exposing the fat behind by trimming it. It takes alot of skill doing it prefectly.

[Aquarian]

welcome to Fish Hub bro :)

Actually Endies are ok... cos they will swim and down the tank gasping air... My tank has endies all these while... all the aro i groom got no de problem. I believe very much that DE is caused mainly by Genetics and Envoirment. My tanks and Cover 4 Sided Oyama with small openning on the side of the tank. So far no problem....

[phuture]

but like to have a tank with top, middle and bottom dwellers, if nothing at all, looks a bit bare :)

Well, depends on individual. Don't forget the centre of attraction is aro. :D

[Arodynamics]

but like to have a tank with top, middle and bottom dwellers, if nothing at all, looks a bit bare :)

If your Aro is stable.... Tank mates will consists of Datnoids, Rays, FF, Clown loaches and Bichirs.

If your ARO is new and jumpy.... Avoid fast moving fishes as it will make the aro panic and become jumpy. Aro keepers certainly dun wish to see their aro jumping out from their tank.

Jump normally will resulting in Death, so keep your tank covered properly at all times.

[phuture]

If your Aro is stable.... Tank mates will consists of Datnoids, Rays, FF, Clown loaches and Bichirs.

If your ARO is new and jumpy.... Avoid fast moving fishes as it will make the aro panic and become jumpy. Aro keepers certainly dun wish to see their aro jumping out from their tank.

Jump normally will resulting in Death, so keep your tank covered properly at all times.

Bro, remember post some of your aro pics....:p

[Arodynamics]

welcome to Fish Hub bro :)


No problem, I am here just to share my limited knowledge, hope that my limited knowledge can help some of the fellow aro keeper in understanding their prized proccession better.

[Arodynamics]

Bro, remember post some of your aro pics....:p

Dun know how to Post Pics here.

[phuture]

U may just create a thread to post your pics. :)

[one]

Try to change water...:)

[Arodynamics]

Hi, Bros.

Just wandered any bros here had ever cure drop eyes or PLJ aro. What I heard was, for drop eyes, try putting in a fibre tank for few months. It get cured. And PLJ is not enough eating. Just pump the aro, the PLJ will be cured.

Is this true????

Cheers!!

Some DE condition is developed thru envoirmental factor, which may be corrected if the condition is not too bad. put the aro in a fibre tank might help in some instance... If the aro genetically have this DE problem in the blood line... then it is different to create unless you wan to rish an ops to remove the fatty tissue behind the eye socket.... one small mistake the aro will be blind for life....

PLJ is a genetic defect.... there is no way to cure.....

[Regional]

To me, DE is a defect and cannot be cured.

PLJ is not a defect in REds as I found most of the REDs are PLJ and PLJ cannot be cured too. Perhaps minimise the PLJ bu bumping it up.

[Arodynamics]

Hi, Bros.

I noticed that most of the spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ. I believed that spoon head by itself is a defect. In those olden days, aros are mostly bullet head. do you observed it.

Cheers.

imho spoon head is not a defect.... i defer from your statement that "spoon head aro usually had very very slight PLJ" i have seen spoonhead aro with prefect jaw line.:geeked: