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PREMIER
15-09-2006, 07:07 PM
Do any 1 experience sunken gill cover on discus before? Any cure 4 it??
The symptom is gill cover centre portion sunken but fish still active n feeding well until big bellly....:confused_1:
heckel
15-09-2006, 07:34 PM
I think this problem is very difficult to cure if not impossible to cure.
Oscar77
18-09-2006, 12:53 PM
Once the gill sunken, the damage already done. Not sure if any remedy, even have, the improvement won't be significant. Just keep them and take good care of them. It would be great if you could mention your discus keeping routine, such as WC and food?
"Prevention always better than cure."
VerSus13
18-09-2006, 01:27 PM
No remedy found yet for sunken gills..Juz prevent it from happening as Oscar had pointed out "Prevention always better than cure."
edwardlong
18-09-2006, 02:33 PM
sometimes, if the sunken gill is not so severe, after the fish grow bigger, it will look "normal" i.e. a bit thicker but at least not concave. One remedy you can try is to feed the fish with calcium in your bh, and very very clean water. Be sure also that your fish is not breathing very fast.
Do any 1 experience sunken gill cover on discus before? Any cure 4 it??
The symptom is gill cover centre portion sunken but fish still active n feeding well until big bellly....:confused_1:
My experience is that I do face this problem in my early days of discus keeping. However, I have overcome this by increasing the airation of pump in the tank. This method will increase O2 level in the water. This is also because when they are at juv stage, we feed many times a day and resulting water are dirty and O2 level come down to a level so low that all the juv breathing increase due to leak of O2 in water. This can be the cause of damage to the gill and gill cover at this early stage of these juv. Another way, of doing this is if your fishes are fed heavily, change water at least twice a day (100%). This will help with fresh O2 level in water and fishes growth is better. The other way is over flow by dripping method. This will also helps. But not many can allow drip or water change 2-3 times a day. So I decided increasing the airation as this is the best and better way to let the juv. have a healthy gill with enough O2. However, this have helps me to reduce the sunken gill with my juv. But another factor is all fishes must have enough mineral in the water or added in the food. All these link.
Hope this helps and it is just my opinion.
Cheers.........................:big_smile:
edwardlong
19-09-2006, 09:33 AM
Thanks CPJ for sharing.
I have seen many ppl's fishes, IMO, CPJ fishes has one of the best gill plates development i have ever seen with respect to the no. of juvs in a small tank. i.e.. 3 ft tank CPJ squeeze in about 100+ 2" juvs.:surprise:
:big_smile:
Thanks CPJ for sharing.
I have seen many ppl's fishes, IMO, CPJ fishes has one of the best gill plates development i have ever seen with respect to the no. of juvs in a small tank. i.e.. 3 ft tank CPJ squeeze in about 100+ 2" juvs.:surprise:
:big_smile:
Should be around 150 to 180 pieces or more instead.
edwardlong
19-09-2006, 04:35 PM
thats a lot cpj!
:surprise:
Should be around 150 to 180 pieces or more instead.
Thats really ALOT... How big till you further separate them huh??
:smile:
PREMIER
19-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Once the gill sunken, the damage already done. Not sure if any remedy, even have, the improvement won't be significant. Just keep them and take good care of them. It would be great if you could mention your discus keeping routine, such as WC and food?
"Prevention always better than cure."
usually feed him with frozen worm (pm) & JBL pellet (am) and changed 30% water & add 3 spoons salt weekly but no add anti-chroline le stil fish look good :big_smile:
PREMIER
19-09-2006, 09:39 PM
My experience is that I do face this problem in my early days of discus keeping. However, I have overcome this by increasing the airation of pump in the tank. This method will increase O2 level in the water. This is also because when they are at juv stage, we feed many times a day and resulting water are dirty and O2 level come down to a level so low that all the juv breathing increase due to leak of O2 in water. This can be the cause of damage to the gill and gill cover at this early stage of these juv. Another way, of doing this is if your fishes are fed heavily, change water at least twice a day (100%). This will help with fresh O2 level in water and fishes growth is better. The other way is over flow by dripping method. This will also helps. But not many can allow drip or water change 2-3 times a day. So I decided increasing the airation as this is the best and better way to let the juv. have a healthy gill with enough O2. However, this have helps me to reduce the sunken gill with my juv. But another factor is all fishes must have enough mineral in the water or added in the food. All these link.
Hope this helps and it is just my opinion.
Cheers.........................:big_smile:
Noted & Thks for your valuable advise btw i'm using overhead filter with mineral rocks, coral & cubicle square block for growth good bacteria and the outlet point to side of glass to have more aeration water flow as well produce more O2. i try to keep water clean & O2 replenish with topping up water & 30% water change weekly:wink:
PREMIER
19-09-2006, 09:42 PM
noted thks for ur piece of advise wil keep ur all update........
usually feed him with frozen worm (pm) & JBL pellet (am) and changed 30% water & add 3 spoons salt weekly but no add anti-chroline le stil fish look good :big_smile:
FYI I have stop using JBL pallet for discus. My experience is all my discus after taking this, they have bloated stomach. I am not sure if you have the same experience or not. However, I have change to Tetra Bit.
FYI I have stop using JBL pallet for discus. My experience is all my discus after taking this, they have bloated stomach. I am not sure if you have the same experience or not. However, I have change to Tetra Bit.
I've been feeding JBL for 1yr+. So far so gd. :smile:
But now I feed both JBL n TetraBits. :smile:
Alway eat abalone also sian mah. :big_smile: :stick_out_tongue:
heckel
20-09-2006, 03:30 AM
Should be around 150 to 180 pieces or more instead.
Hi there bro cpj. Care to share wat's your water change regiment like? Having 150-180 2'' juv in a 3ft tank is no joke. You change water many times a day?
edwardlong
20-09-2006, 10:31 AM
Anf.... I dun think bit food is abalone to discus, more like biscuit...:stick_out_tongue:
Cpj.... can you share your experience with us about successful breeding and raising of the offspring and how you get your lovely tropical red..:big_smile:
Premier.... your filter and tank set up sound really good to me exp the mineral rock which should reduce sunken gill and increase growth rates
Hi there bro cpj. Care to share wat's your water change regiment like? Having 150-180 2'' juv in a 3ft tank is no joke. You change water many times a day?
All my juv are fed 5-6 times a day and have to make sure the fishes finished all food in 5 minutes time. On average daily 2 times depending on the condition and situation. At times, 3 times. My fishes are taken care by my wife and maid.
heckel
25-09-2006, 10:46 AM
All my juv are fed 5-6 times a day and have to make sure the fishes finished all food in 5 minutes time. On average daily 2 times depending on the condition and situation. At times, 3 times. My fishes are taken care by my wife and maid.
Nice to see your wife is into this discus keeping hobby too. So from what you are doing i can conclude that clean water is the key to proper gill plate developement.
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