Antichlorine/chlormines for Discus

[heckel]

Have tried many brands of antichlorine. Started with aquaplus from nutrifin. Then switched to stresscoat. But seems like very difficult to get stresscoat nowadays. Even if can get the price is much more expensive. What are you using now? And share your findings on antichlorine you use.
I switched back to aquaplus now to save on cost. But i find that my fish prefer stresscoat which has aloe vera contents.

[condor]

Have tried many brands of antichlorine. Started with aquaplus from nutrifin. Then switched to stresscoat. But seems like very difficult to get stresscoat nowadays. Even if can get the price is much more expensive. What are you using now? And share your findings on antichlorine you use.
I switched back to aquaplus now to save on cost. But i find that my fish prefer stresscoat which has aloe vera contents.


Yeah, I agreed with heckel
now using Stress Guard which is about the price of stresscoat.
Own personal prefer stresscoat

[lei]

Using Stress Coat here and still find it more suitable for my fish... Hehe..
Have tried using hypo cystal but fish dont look well after water change...
:wink:

[edwardlong]

Using Hypo only removes the chlorine from the chloramine compound, leaving free form ammonia. However if you have a good biological filtration in your tank, it shouldn't be a problem.

Some anti-chlorine like Ammo-Lock can remove chlorine as well as locking or converting dangerous ammonia into safer form of ammonia. Maybe any expert chemist in here like to add on??

:big_smile:

[trident]

i am using stress guard now, but would like to
go back to powder form water conditioner.
i find it easier to measure using a spoon
rather than squirting it from the plastic bottle
u dun know how much is used.

[edwardlong]

Hi Trident!!

Glad to see you around here!

Do you feel that the powder form anti-chlorine is better?? I have never use it before and would like to try it out

[heckel]

Care to enlightne where i can get powder form antichlorine?

[trident]

i bght the powder anti-chlorine frm a bro who is selling it at AR classified.
i feel that it's abt the same stress guard as, but wif powder I'll use less.

[lei]

Hmmm... I'm using a injection needle to make sure that I applied the same amount during every WC...
:wink:

[trident]

Lei,
u just use the needle? :confused_1:
last time i use syringe to measure stress guard, but got lazy.



Hmmm... I'm using a injection needle to make sure that I applied the same amount during every WC...
:wink:

[edwardlong]

Hmmm... I'm using a injection needle to make sure that I applied the same amount during every WC...
:wink:

you inject the anti-chlorine into the fish?? :stick_out_tongue:

I think you are talking about syringe...

:big_smile:

[Oscar77]

I stop adding anti C&C since last year. Wondering anyone sharing same practise as mine? If yes, do you encounter any different?

[Anf]

I stop adding anti C&C since last year. Wondering anyone sharing same practise as mine? If yes, do you encounter any different?
Den wat u use? Juz direct tap water? :confused_1:

[Oscar77]

yup. direct tap.

[heckel]

yup. direct tap.
Tried to do that but sometimes the smell of the tap water freak me out. Play safe so i put anti chlorine nowadays.

[bai]

Me also use Direct Tap water lor........:big_smile: :stick_out_tongue:

[edwardlong]

For my case...

I feel that WC without anti chlorine is ok only if no form of filter is use. Reason is that the slight chlorine in the tap water may have killed off the bio bacteria that is growing in the filter media. So causing a system crash in the whole setup.

Also for 2 different location, IMO the chlorine content is also different leve. Age and size of fish also have different level of tolerance.

Another interesting note is that 1 very notable Discus breeder said that the chlorine in water causes gill deformity in growing fries.

:big_smile:

[Spid]

Im afraid of direct tap water after a serious incident where all my discus in a tank died.

To play safe, I do add some Prime into the tank.

[Oscar77]

Im afraid of direct tap water after a serious incident where all my discus in a tank died.

To play safe, I do add some Prime into the tank.

Yup, this is the risk has to take. Care to tell more about that sad incident, such as how fast your fish react to the poisoning, what is/are the symptom.

[edwardlong]

first symtom you get is the fishes all turn dark. Imagine a tank of discus about 20 pieces turning dark??

Better to put in at least hypo... cheap cheap nia

[trident]

i got bad experience with direct tap water too.
reaction is quite fast, within a few minutes, fishes are starting to
turn dark and staying at the top, gasping for breath.
now i use external carbon filter and a little anti-chlorine.

[Spid]

Yes turning dark after this chlorine posioning is the first systom. If its worse, slimy thread like stuff will ooze out from the discus mouth.... which is very disgusting.:ick:

[bai]

I'm Lucky cos nothing happen to my discus......as I everyday WC more than 100% wif direct tap water & nothing added.....only sometimes add a bit of salt..:big_smile: :wink:

[edwardlong]

Yes turning dark after this chlorine posioning is the first systom. If its worse, slimy thread like stuff will ooze out from the discus mouth.... which is very disgusting.:ick:

Hi Spid!

your symtom i have yet to see . Sounds really bad man!

[heckel]

Wow slimy stuff ooze out the discus mouth? That's something new to me.

[Spid]

Yeah....Really very bad... if only turn black, they will still be able to recover, if strange things start oozing out, can prepare to tabao those discus liao.

[heckel]

Yeah....Really very bad... if only turn black, they will still be able to recover, if strange things start oozing out, can prepare to tabao those discus liao.
Why will they fishes turn black? The water parameters too different? Some of my fishes will turn black but some will not. Anyone can help me on this?

[edwardlong]

some ppl say that fishes that exhibit this type of symtom can be due to hormones. Its like withdrawal symtom.

[sandeepR]

Hi
Another way of removing cholrine & making water safe for fishes is to use kitchen water filters.
I fill up a large drum with this water, leave it overnight just to be on the safe side, and next day transfer the water to aquariums using a small submersible water filter.
However filters having "RO" units os "Reverse osmosis" units should be used as they give you pure distilled water which is not good for aquariums.

[edwardlong]

hi sandeepR,

I was using carbon filters (5 micron) for over a year. I find that the juvs don't grow so well in them. Maybe its because the minerals were absorb by the filter? Also when i am late in changing the carbon filter cartridge, i think toxic is being released and the fishes all turn dark.

In the end... i have removed all the tap water filters and go direct

[sandeepR]

hi sandeepR,
I was using carbon filters (5 micron) for over a year. I find that the juvs don't grow so well in them. Maybe its because the minerals were absorb by the filter? Also when i am late in changing the carbon filter cartridge, i think toxic is being released and the fishes all turn dark.
In the end... i have removed all the tap water filters and go direct
Carbon filters contain activated carbon, which is nothing but common charcoal/coal treated with high steam & pressure. This makes the carbon very porous and is a very good absorbant of all things dissloved in water.
In aquariums its use is debatable, it gets clogged up very soon and is useless after that.
It removes everything out of water, It is best used when some medicine is put in aquarium.
In planted tanks it does more harm than good and is to be strictly avoided in planted tanks.
However I hesitate to use direct tap water, you never know what is in that water, storing or ageing water for 24 hrs has been the best & safest pracise for me.
It is not only cholrine that harms fishes,if the water is taken from borewells, it also contains other dissloved gases, which get released in aquariums and can cause problems. I know this because I have suffered a total loss of tank due to this.

[zoids]

I don't use anything when i do wc. Direct from the tap. So i don't have headache of what anti-chlorine to use :smile:

[Oscar77]

Some reading picked from : http://article.discusnews.com/cat-02/chloramines.shtml

Chlorine, Chloramine and it's effect on fish

Chlorine and chloramine both cause death in fish by anoxia, ie the fish are literally starved of oxygen; however, the mechanisms involved differ. Chlorine is a major irritant and causes rapid degradation of the gills by oxidation, ie gill tissue is destroyed; whereas, chloramine crosses the gills and directly enters the blood stream of the fish where methaemoglobin is preferentially formed over oxyhaemoglobin, ie the chloramine chemically binds with the iron in blood haemoglobin which has a deleterious affect on the ability of haemoglobin to bind with oxygen - thus starving the fish of its oxygen supply. The amount of chloramine that passes past gills and into the blood is critical in the ultimate effect of the formation of methaemoglobin and the survival chances of the fish.

Research in Canada has demonstrated that the "Estimated No-Effect Value" (ENEV) for chloramine is 0.0056 mg/L for freshwater organisms and 0.0028 mg/L for marine and estuarine organisms. One exception to these doses is that clam larvae and copepods are extremely chloramine sensitive and have demonstrated 50% mortality (LD50) at 0.005 mg/L chloramine concentrations when exposed to chloramine for between 48-96 hours.

[heckel]

Some reading picked from : http://article.discusnews.com/cat-02/chloramines.shtml
Thanks for the info.
So should i say that it is a must to use antichlorine and chlormines? If not our fishes will be starved of the essential oxygen. Looks like the chlorine and chlormines contend in our tap water is pretty high. Better play safe than to fool with my fishes.

[sandeepR]

Piped water supplies in city water works will always contain cholrine or cholramine.
Both are extremely dangerous for fishes, well cholrine is extremly poisionus gas, but we don't feel it because we don't inhale it. Fishes in water actaully inhale these lethal gases.
One should check whether your city water supply uses cholrine or cholramine.
following steps can be taken
CHOLRINE: This gas will evaporate simply if you aerate the water in a drum for 10-12 hrs. Alternatively anti cholrines or hypo can be used.
CHOLRAMINE This is bit of problem as it does not evaporate that easily.
Normal anticholrines will nuetralise only cholrine part and ammonia will be released which is also poisionous. Thus specific nuetralizers which treat cholramine should be used.
Direct tap water is always risky and not all to be recommended.

[Oscar77]

Thanks for the info.
So should i say that it is a must to use antichlorine and chlormines? If not our fishes will be starved of the essential oxygen. Looks like the chlorine and chlormines contend in our tap water is pretty high. Better play safe than to fool with my fishes.

After reading the article from DPH, it explained why my fish breath so heavily and caused some damage to the gill (grow a membran at the edge of the gill and flipping when the fish breathing). I not sure wheather is due to chlorine and chloramine poisoned and will find it out.

What I am going to do is, for this tank of fishes, I will take down how many time they breath/minute and compare to how many time they breath/minute after adding anti. Will reveal the results once I have any conclusion.

The only doubt - It affect only 1 of my particular tank, but no harm trying.

So who is going to sponsor me the anti :embarrassed: .Lol, just joking.

[edwardlong]

I don't use anything when i do wc. Direct from the tap. So i don't have headache of what anti-chlorine to use :smile:

Seems like i got no choice but to shift my family to Tampines.

:confused_1:

[heckel]

After reading the article from DPH, it explained why my fish breath so heavily and caused some damage to the gill (grow a membran at the edge of the gill and flipping when the fish breathing). I not sure wheather is due to chlorine and chloramine poisoned and will find it out.

What I am going to do is, for this tank of fishes, I will take down how many time they breath/minute and compare to how many time they breath/minute after adding anti. Will reveal the results once I have any conclusion.

The only doubt - It affect only 1 of my particular tank, but no harm trying.

So who is going to sponsor me the anti :embarrassed: .Lol, just joking.
Do let us know your findings. If you need sponsor of antichlorine i dun mind passing you some of mine.:wink:

[edwardlong]

chlorine level fluctuate in singapore tap water. Its like a roulette sometimes

[Spid]

Yes ur right Edward.

If i encounter a strong chlorine smell, what Ill do is Ill put more anti-chlorine.

[heckel]

Yes ur right Edward.

If i encounter a strong chlorine smell, what Ill do is Ill put more anti-chlorine.
Normally if you read the instruction label of the antichlorine/chloromine, the dosage for removing chloromine is much higher. Abt double of removing chlorine. So i will normally dose the dosage instructed for removing chloromine.